Betwixt and Between (Witchcraft)
Maybe you are into tumbled stones, crystal healing, and moonstone jewelry, and maybe that's as far as it goes. But what ARE the rocks and crystals we work with? What makes them special? There's more to the earth than just the plants that grow out of it--the deep time of the planet and the process that formed it and everything around us (That are still forming it!) can affect our Craft in incredible ways. At least, that's what Betwixt and Between think (and Between is really into it right now, because she's doing geology with her daughter in homeschool).
For more, and more accurate, information, visit the GODDESS of Witching Geologically, Kathleen Borealis:
This Youtube video is a great overview of the formation of our planet:
And you know you want to learn about crinoids!
Direct download: Episode_54-Geology.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 9:14am CDT

Betwixt and Between interview Erika and Kyle, and couple who share a life and a love of the Craft. They also share with us how they grow both together and separately, how their other passions dovetail with their Witchcraft, and even how they share a common Witchy space. 


Erika and Kyle had launched a website to share their experiences,, and also have an Instagram, @hedgeandhomecraft. Check them out!


Direct download: Episode_53_2.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 3:58pm CDT

Betwixt & Between delve into Tarot. In addition to the obligatory discussion of how they throw the cards, the discussion turns to history, books about Tarot, the Patriarchy in the Tarot, ways of reading, their favorite decks, and more!

Tarot for Creatives by Marielle S. Smith

Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom by Rachel Pollack

The Tarot: History, Symbolism, and Divination by Robert M. Place

21 Ways to Read a Tarot Card, Mary K. Greer

Link to a list of decks for and by People of Color and LGBTQIA and Non-Binary folks

Direct download: Episode_52_-_Tarot.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:37pm CDT

Whether you are in quarantine during a pandemic, living in an area without an extensive Pagan community, taking a break from working with others, or just want to do your own thing, how do you self-educate yourself as a Witch? Betwixt and Between gab about the uses and drawbacks of books, the importance of hands-on work, and then get into their separate experiences of homeschooling their children. Even if you have no wee ones and the only person you ever plan on educating is you, there's something for everyone in this episode.

Direct download: Episode_51_-_Homeschooling.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 9:57am CDT

Please excuse any weird sound stuff in this episode--Just like everyone else, B&B are recording remotely, staying at home in quarantine. How, as Witches, do we deal with this situation, or any major crisis, really? Join us as we share our experiences and thoughts on what Witches do when things get real.

Direct download: Episode_50_-_Crisis_Magic.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 7:13pm CDT

(Warning: we recorded this episode in February, before quarantines and primary elections. So it's a little dated. Plus, it's full of puns. So gird your loins.)

We couldn't pass up an opportunity to record with one of our favorite Witches, Glinda of the North, while she was in town to celebrate some important natal days. And with her recent experience visiting Lilydale, the modern home of the Spiritualism movement, and the research she's been conducting into that movement, we couldn't pass up the opportunity to to chat about that!

Enjoy! And you can find out more about Spiritualism at:

Direct download: Episode_49.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 6:28pm CDT

Happy 2020! Betwixt and Between kick off the year (sportsball pun not intended) with a two-part talk about hedges. What are they? Do we have them in our lives? How do we use them in the mundane and spiritual world? We can obviously talk about this forever. Hence, two episodes. Enjoy!

Direct download: Episode_47_-_Hedging_Your_Bets_part_1.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 10:15am CDT

We are happy to report that Jacob is officially on the mend, and his first order of business (bless him) was to get us this episode! Just a day late, but hopefully not a dollar short, with this August episode!


Betwixt and Between, building on their chat with Kit and previous talk about ancestors, delve in this episode into what inspires them about the Stone Age (specifically the Meso and Neolithic periods). Brace yourselves for an abundant and childish use of "Homo" (sapiens, erectus, habulus...), yet ANOTHER recap of the production of fiber and clothing (Between has a problem), and a summary of Jean M. Auel's seminal works. And Between singing. Of course. 


Resources to check out: 

A History of the World in 100 Objects

Stories From the Stone Age

Ice Age Clip

Cave Art

Stonehenge Houses (Knee Impressions)


Hello All Listeners! This episode, Betwixt and Between chat with and fangirl over Sara Schuster of the Tending Seeds podcast. Sara is an herbalist, homesteader, soapmaker, podcaster, and Plant Witch (among so many other things!). We hope you enjoy this talk as much as we did, and please go check her out on Instagram and give her wonderful show a listen!

Direct download: Episode_41.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 10:56am CDT

Down at the Cross-Over, as it were, Betwixt and Between enjoy a fantastic conversation with Chris and Tara in this episode. Listen to hear all about their book, their Tradition, and just general merriment and comraderies. 


You can find out more about Chris and Tara at

Direct download: Episode_39_-_Besom_Stang_and_Sword_interview_with_intro.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 5:53pm CDT

After looking back at the end of 2018, Between gets angry...but hopefully you'll still like her when she's angry. The discussion centers around Alex Mar's Witches of America, a book Between found...somewhat problematic. Consider the importance and power of how your story is told, and who should tell it (spoiler alert: it's you!).

Here's looking forward to an exciting 2019!

Direct download: Episode_36_-_The_Power_of_Narrative.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 2:17pm CDT

*There is a section of this episode with some troublesome audio, but we promise it's still worth a listen, and only a small portion of the discussion is affected.

B&B are super excited in this episode to interview "Niena," a Witch from Between's side of the sister Witch family, hailing all the way from the great state of Nevada (that's Ne-VA-dah, not Ne-VAAHH-dah). With this importance of working with ancestors in our practice and the practice of so many Witches today, what do you do if there is some real darkness in your past? How can it affect you spiritually, even if it comes from an ancestor you never personally met, and how can you handle that? This topic resulted in a discussion full of emotion and personal power, and we're honored to share it with you.

Happy belated Samhain, everyone!

Direct download: Episode_34_-_Inherited_Darkness.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 3:19pm CDT

Happy September [cough, glances around sheepishly]! Betwixt and Between are so grateful to their special guest and Between’s mother, “Bewildered.” You will notice some audio quality discrepancies, but in a way it’s a good thing, because otherwise it would be very difficult to tell Between and Bewildered apart! (We suspect that Bewilderd’s mic got turned off.)

This episode’s topic is Bullying—what is it, who does it, what can you do about it if it happens to you? Special thanks to listener “M” who shared her experience with us.

Direct download: Episode_33_-_Bullying_-_edit_1.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:31pm CDT

If you’ve been hungry for more Betwixt and Between, here’s an extra helping of goodies! B&B team up again with Glinda of the North to talk all about food. What starts out as a discussion of magical food prep soon boils over into a stew of the links between spirituality and food, healthy and disordered eating, food and our relationship with the land, food and our relationship with our ancestors…it’s a smorgasbord of topics and thoughts, all served with a side of cackling laughter. Bon appetit!

Direct download: Episode_32_-_Witchin_in_the_Kitchen_-_b.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 10:12am CDT

If you don't listen to New World Witchery...why? But if you do, you've already heard the part of our crossover episode NWW posted. This is the other part! Betwixt and Between talk with Cory about their relationship with him as a Tradition member, and more about their personal practices of Witchcraft.

Direct download: Episode_31_-_New_World_Witchery_crossover_-_edit_3.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:01pm CDT

Celebrating the fullness of summer with a look at ritual tools. What are they? What did Betwixt and Between used to use, and what are they into now? Are ritual tools just a Wiccan thing, or just a Witchcraft thing? Plenty of hilarity ensues, although in retrospect we can't tell you exactly why...

Direct download: Episode_30_-_Ritual_Tools.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 1:48pm CDT

What is a faerie? Why should you care? How should you interact with them? B&B talk all about the fey, their portrayals in myth, literature, pop culture, and modern Pagan practice. Can you work with Fey from the Old Country? Are there North American Faeries? Are all Faeries nature spirits? And can you talk for an hour when you have strep throat? Find out all this and more!

Direct download: Episode_29_-_Fairies.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 2:59pm CDT

This was meant to be the March episode, but…April Fools! Fill your podcast well with this episode, in which the ladies talk all about sacred wells, springs, ponds, various and sundry other waters, and magics associated with them. History, geology, anthropology, ecology, and lots of other “ologies” come together in this discussion, which turned out to be pretty deep (pun totally intended!).

Direct download: Episode_28_-_Sacred_Wells.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 8:55am CDT

(Warning: we sing a lot in this episode. Proceed with caution!)

After having a “conversation” with Cory of New World Witchery via the magic of podcast editing about our new favorite topic—Community!—Betwixt and Between ask the question, is Witchcraft a religion? And then, what is religion? And then, can we sing this entire episode in the style of Gregorian chant? It gets pretty deep pretty fast. Enjoy!

Direct download: Episode_27.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 8:23am CDT

What kind of community is best for you? What kinds of communities are there? How do you find a community? How do you leave a community? WHAT EVEN IS A PAGAN COMMUNITY? In this long, and long-awaited, episode, Betwixt and Between discuss the what’s, why’s, and whichamacallit’s of spiritual community, sharing personal experiences and, of course, occasionally taking a bunny trail.

Direct download: Episode_26.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 10:29pm CDT

Not all Witches jive with being “planted,” so what about Witches who’s jam is to be constantly on the go, but still want to connect with natural and ancestral spirits? Betwixt and Between dive into the spirit of the wanderers and reaching back to the ancestry of hunter gatherers, exploring a spirituality that’s a little less domestic and a lot more mobile. The discussion takes a sharp turn into musing about historical development of spiritualities along with the development of agriculture…super applicable, but very interesting! Also, prepare yourself for musical interludes.

Direct download: Episode_25.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 11:21am CDT

Aaaaaaaaaaand we’re back! After a summer sort-of-hiatus, Betwixt and Between are super excited to be back at it, and in an episode chock full of cicadas, birdsong, air traffic, and diversions, it’s time to discuss Magical Books. Explore the difference between books of shadows, grimoires, and other texts, pop culture references, and even texts “made of children.” Get ready for regular recording and more good times ahead.

Direct download: Betwixt_and_Between_Ep_23.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:13pm CDT

Betwixt gathers her sister friends, "Glinda of the North" and "Bryson," as well as Jacob, onto the roof of the seaside cottage her family rented this summer to talk old times and the role of spontaneity in Witchcraft.

Sometimes you need to plan, structure, and memorize your ritual lines...and sometimes (most of the time, when life becomes as busy as adult life can become?) you don't. Not comfortable with spontaneity? Don't worry--this conversation's got you covered!

Direct download: Episode_22-with_credits.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:33pm CDT

How certain do you have to be about your spiritual worldview, and is doubt something that only visits the spiritually inclinced? Betwixt and Between talk with Jacob Haller, our talented editor and longtime friend of Betwixt, who also happens to be an atheist. Also guest starring a chorus of Al Green's parishioners, AND dogs and chickens!

Direct download: Episode_21.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 8:38am CDT

What is Witches' Rest? When is it? How long does it last, and what is allowed and forbidden? Recorded before the big winter holidays (and only put up just before Imbolc/Candlemas because, hey, that's how we roll!), this episode explores ideas of self-care, getting in touch with your needs and goals as a practitioner, being in touch with the actual occurrence of winter in your region, personal cycles of practice, giving yourself permission, and periods of immersion versus integrated rest into daily life. 

Quick personal updates: We both had lovely holidays with family, and Between finished her Witchlette's dollhouse, which received rave reviews. 

No baby yet, but we are expecting the Wee Miss any day now. Anticipation builds by the moment!

Direct download: Session_1-30-16.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 3:36pm CDT

As part of the annual Samhain observance, Betwixt and Between talk about various ideas about the afterlife from a range of cultures, discuss how to reconcile ghosts, work with ancestors, and other spirit activity with beliefs about reincarnation and realms of punishment and reward, and ramble about personal experiences, as per usual.

And hey, don't forget to email us with a question or episode idea, and we'll enter you into a drawing for a Betwixt and Between care package! You can expect handmade WItchy items, herbs from our gardens, and other cool surprises! So email us at!


Check out our blog for pictures and links.

Direct download: Halloween_Session_1_mixdown.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 12:02pm CDT

Examining the practical application of the various spiritual influences that affect us all, Betwixt and Between discuss the ins and outs of an eclectic practice, including spiritual speed dating, finding your spiritual posse, and the perils of dream catchers.


*Apologies for the delay in publishing--this was meant to be the September episode. There will be an extra October episode to follow!

Direct download: Podcast_9-2-15_edited.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 2:14pm CDT

Episode 10: Spellworkin'

What is a spell? When should you do one? What are the consequences? What are the mechanics? Betwixt and Between chat about their spell experiences, philosophies, and even foibles. 

Check out for book references, pictures of the weeds discussed in the show, and other such tidbits.

Direct download: Podcast_mixdown1.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 2:50pm CDT

Episode 9: Gardening, Ungardening, and Wilding

Betwixt and Between take time this episode to describe their gardens and how creating and tending them contributes to their individual spiritual practices. The discussion touches not only on the tended spaces, but on the untended spaces as well, and finally veers into a brief take on the recent online dialogue around Apocalyptic Witchcraft.

Check out our blog for pictures of parts of our gardens!

Some gardening and Green Witchy resources: (or google your local native plant society)


For those interested in the Apocalyptic Witchcraft dialogue, check out the following links(this is just a sampling):

Direct download: Untitled_Session_1_mixdown.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 8:54pm CDT

Episode 8: Cultural Appropriation

Betwixt and Between talk with Mihika, a dear friend, scholar, practicing Hindu, and blogger behind This discussion asks what is cultural appropriation, why can it be problematic, and then turns to how to share another's culture in a (hopefully) non-problematic way. Together they explore power dynamics and privledge, aesthetics vs. deeper cultural meanings, and the role of guilt in approaching one's non-native culture.

Thank you again to New World Witchery, the iPod Witch, and any other podcaster or blogger who has been supporting us. What a great community this is!

See show notes for images of and a mantra to Saraswati.

Resources that informed this show:

Inciting a Riot, Episode 38: Inciting a Hindu Riot (and the latest episode, #88, is about privledge. Co-inkydink!)

Devin Hunter's Modern Witch (Not Pagan Rapport, which is also lovely) Season 4, Episode 16: Pagans and Privilege

Lamplighter Blues, Episode 10: Baucherei (Not Pow Wow. Sheesh! Not batting 1000 here with the references...)

The Wild Hunt, "Hinduism, Indo-Paganism, and Cultural Appropriation" by Jason Pitzl-Waters

"Why I Can't Stand White Belly Dancers" by Randa Jarrar 

See show notes for a Privilege Walk workshop.

And special thanks to Milk and Magpie for creating some wonderful Betwixt and Between artwork for us!

Direct download: Podcast_7-15-14_mixdown_final.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 2:50pm CDT

Episode 7: Initiation

What is initiation? Who does it? How do you do it? Why should you do it? Is it necessary? Betwixt and Between discuss the purposes and elements of initiation in this episode, as well as sharing some personal updates and fielding more animal hilarity.

Direct download: Podcast_6-18-14_mixdown_final.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 11:23pm CDT

Episode 6: Spring Update and a Personal Wheel

* Disclaimer: No drugs or alcohol were consumed prior to or during the recording of this episode, by humans or animals. It was just one of those nights. 

After a brief review of what they've each been up to recently and how they celebrated the Spring Sabbats, Betwixt and Between discuss why the Eight Sabbats, and how they connect with each personally and augment with additional celebrations throughout the year. Hilarity ensues when sleep deprivation and one crazy little cat take their toll. 

Direct download: Podcast_Mix_5-21-14_mixdown_final.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 7:19am CDT

Episode 5: Balancing the Liminal and the Now

Betwixt and Between are joined by "Glinda, the Witch of the North," in this discussion about returning to mudane reality after experiences of altered consciousness. If you have ever had trouble grounding after trancework, hedgecrossing, or even have just had one too many visions out of the corner of your eye, tune in to hear how three Witches bring it on back home.

Direct download: Podcast4-23-14_mixdown_final.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 1:36pm CDT

Episode 4: Beyond 101

Betwixt and Between discuss the process of getting to the next level of Witchcraft from pretty much wherever one is--anyone from newbie to advanced initiate can learn more--but especially when growing from the basics. They have book recomendations, practical suggestions, and of course skip down multiple bunny tails along the way.

Direct download: Podcast_4-3-13_mixdown1.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 9:18am CDT

How do you keep up with your practice, and can you see what you already do for what it is? Betwixt and Between examine their personal devotions and discuss overcoming obstacles to both engaging in integrated everyday practice and to pursuing more specialized work. Talk ranges from gardening to altars to hedgecrossing, complete with plenty of personal anecdotes.

Direct download: bandb3.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 6:22pm CDT

Post holiday season (i.e. Samhian - Yule) Betwixt and Between recount their experiences of making the winter Sabbats personal and relevent to their own familes and small children (with a sidebar about Passover...). They also discuss involving community in their celebrations, and look ahead to the coming year.


Direct download: bandb2.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 6:12pm CDT

Episode One: Introductions

Show notes:

In this first episode, Betwixt and Between introduce themselves and compare their histories as Witches leading up to the present day.

Show Host Bios:

Betwixt is a mother, wife, grad student, and witch living a stone's throw from Between in the American South. Her witch's cottage is a spirit-filled late Victorian farmhouse that is now smack in the midst of a city. A dog, two cats, sundry houseplants, and many, many houseplants also share her home. Betwixt is hopelessly in love with making new things and finding old things. Her craft is also informed by her ancestry in the British Isles, her travels, local ecology, and her childhood living here, there, and everywhere, but mostly beside the ocean.

Between is a massage therapist, fiber artist, writer, mother of one amazing little daughter, and wife to one particularly Hobbit-like man, living about a mile as the owl flies from Betwixt in the rolling green hills of the American South. Her human family shares their mid-twentieth-century brick Tudor cottage with three dogs, three cats, two snakes, a growing school of freshwater fish, and a barely-controlled stash of yarn and fabric. Always with one foot, and possibly one or both hands, in a different world, and never without a project (especially knitting), Between's craft is informed by her Brittish Isles heritage, her Catholic, Anglican, and Buddhist/Hindu family heritage, her love of dance and books and music, the really disorganized, overgrown, and largely neglected garden, and the land beneath her feet wherever they touch down. 

Direct download: bandb1_1.mp3
Category:Witchcraft -- posted at: 4:29pm CDT